🎧 LISTEN: Reno County Elections Clerk Jenna Fager

🎧 LISTEN: Mayor Greg Fast

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                        <img src="https://media.eaglewebservices.com/public/2023/11/1701263164849.png" alt="Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher for Monday, November 4th" />
                        <figcaption>Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher for Monday, November 4th</figcaption>
                    </figure><div><iframe title="Eagle Morning Sports for November 4th, 2024" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=pk3np-172b09c-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 LISTEN:  🏈 Vikings win on SNF ; 🏆 Area Cross Country Champs ; ⚾ Royals place two golden gloves 

Country 102.9's&nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/patjames/">Pat James</a>&nbsp;</b>brings you some ideas on events to attend this weekend around the Hutchinson area. Click the play button to listen.&nbsp; &nbsp;

<b><a target="_blank" href="https://hutchpost.com/category/podcasts">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;</b>to listen to more Hutch Post podcasts on demand!

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                    </figure><p>Country 102.9's&nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/patjames/">Pat James</a>&nbsp;</b>brings you some ideas on events to attend this weekend around the Hutchinson area. Click the play button to listen.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><div><iframe title="🎧 LISTEN: 'Happening Around Hutch' this weekend (Nov. 2-3)" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=wpzrw-1727719-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div><p><b><a target="_blank" href="https://hutchpost.com/category/podcasts">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;</b>to listen to more Hutch Post podcasts on demand!</p><p><b><a target="_blank" href="https://hutchpost.com/pages/community-calendar">CLICK HERE</a></b>&nbsp;to submit an event for this podcast or to see area events listed on the Visit Hutch Event Calendar.</p>

🎧 LISTEN: 'Happening Around Hutch' this weekend

🎧 LISTEN: Salvation Army

🎧 LISTEN: Landmark Project

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                        <figcaption>Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher for November 1st, 2024</figcaption>
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🎧 LISTEN:  🏈 Jets snap 5 game losing streak; 🏀 HutchCC Women open at Tonkowa, Ok; 🏈 Week 9 High School Playoffs begin; 🏐 3A/4A State Volleyball at the Sports Arena

🎧 LISTEN: Hutchinson/Reno County Chamber of Commerce

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                        <figcaption>Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher&nbsp; for Thursday, October 31st</figcaption>
                    </figure><div><iframe title="Early Morning Sports for October 31st, 2024" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=m54m8-1725597-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 LISTEN:  ⚾ Dodgers win World Series; 🏀 K-State places players on watch lists

 🎧 LISTEN: Moose Lodge Veterans Celebration

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                    </figure><div><iframe title="Early Morning Sports for October 30th, 2024" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=rywka-17239be-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 LISTEN:  ⚾ Yankees bats break out in World Series win; 🏀 KU and K-State win exhibition games

🎧 LISTEN: Safe Kids Kansas

🎧 LISTEN: Kansas Secretary of State Scott Schwab

🎧 LISTEN: October 30, 2024 News

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                    </figure><div><iframe title="Early Morning Sports for October 29th, 2024" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=39jhy-1721d6e-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=auto&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 LISTEN:  ⚾ Dodgers up 3-0 in World Series; 🏈 HutchCC falls to No. 3; 

🎧 LISTEN: AAA Kansas

🎧 LISTEN: Kiwanis Chili Feed

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                        <img src="https://media.eaglewebservices.com/public/2023/11/1701263164849.png" alt="Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher" />
                        <figcaption>Early Morning Sports with Rob Dreher</figcaption>
                    </figure><div><iframe title="Early Morning Sports for October 28th, 2024" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=unu8v-171f978-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=auto&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 LISTEN:  ⚾ Dodgers up two games in World Series; Chiefs 🏈 edge Raiders; San Francisco 🏈 gets by Dallas on SNF

HUTCHINSON, Kan. — Voice of the Blue Dragons, Sean Boston, visited with sophomore wide receiver, Ja'Cory Thomas, for Episode 8 of the "Under the Helmet" segment, which aired earlier today on KHUT-FM and KWBW-AM/FM.

"Under the Helmet" is a weekly interview that airs during halftime of the HutchCC football game. The segment gives the fans a chance to learn more about each player both on and off the field.&nbsp;&nbsp;

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                        <img src="https://media.eaglewebservices.com/public/2024/9/1725460457761.png" alt="Under the Helmet" />
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                    </figure><p>HUTCHINSON, Kan. — Voice of the Blue Dragons, Sean Boston, visited with sophomore wide receiver, Ja'Cory Thomas, for Episode 8 of the "Under the Helmet" segment, which aired earlier today on KHUT-FM and KWBW-AM/FM.</p><div><iframe title="HutchCC &quot;Under the Helmet&quot; - 10/26/24 - Ja'Cory Thomas" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=eaxmj-1719eea-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div><p>"Under the Helmet" is a weekly interview that airs during halftime of the HutchCC football game. The segment gives the fans a chance to learn more about each player both on and off the field.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

🎧 LISTEN: "Under the Helmet" with HutchCC WR Ja'Cory Thomas

HUTCHINSON, Kan. — No. 1 Hutchinson (7-0, 3-0) faces No. 13 Butler (3-3, 2-1) for the 101st time in series history Saturday.

The Dragons return to Gowans Stadium after back-to-back weeks on the road to face <a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/00be49d3-6cea-4894-842a-095cc7d89e91">Independence</a> and <a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/5f49a96c-ba7c-4e47-a1ea-c2c98294633d">Coffeyville</a>. The Dragons outscored their Montgomery County opponents 88-24.

Sean Boston, Daren Dunn and Steve Carpenter prepare you for the noon kickoff.

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                    </figure><p>HUTCHINSON, Kan. — No. 1 Hutchinson (7-0, 3-0) faces No. 13 Butler (3-3, 2-1) for the 101st time in series history Saturday.</p><p>The Dragons return to Gowans Stadium after back-to-back weeks on the road to face <a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/00be49d3-6cea-4894-842a-095cc7d89e91">Independence</a> and <a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/5f49a96c-ba7c-4e47-a1ea-c2c98294633d">Coffeyville</a>. The Dragons outscored their Montgomery County opponents 88-24.</p><p>Sean Boston, Daren Dunn and Steve Carpenter prepare you for the noon kickoff.</p><div><iframe title="CTK SEG 1 vs. Butler" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=rz5rr-171ba35-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div><div><iframe title="CTK SEG 2 vs. Butler" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=cd6ss-171ba3f-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div><div><iframe title="CTK SEG 3 vs. Butler" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=hyu24-171ba4a-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🏈🎧 LISTEN: Countdown To Kickoff vs. No. 13 Butler

Country 102.9's&nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/patjames/">Pat James</a>&nbsp;</b>brings you some ideas on events to attend this Halloween weekend around the Hutchinson area. Click the play button to listen.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;

<a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/8b349376-4066-494e-8ebf-9cac2d470987">CLICK HERE</a> to see a complete list of Halloween Events around Hutchinson<br><a href="https://hutchpost.com/category/podcasts" target="_blank">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;to listen to more Hutch Post podcasts on demand!<br><a href="https://hutchpost.com/pages/community-calendar" target="_blank">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;to submit an event for this podcast or to see area events listed on the Visit Hutch Event Calendar.&nbsp;&nbsp;

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                    </figure><p>Country 102.9's&nbsp;<b><a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/patjames/">Pat James</a>&nbsp;</b>brings you some ideas on events to attend this Halloween weekend around the Hutchinson area. Click the play button to listen.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</p><div><iframe title="🎧 LISTEN: 'Happening Around Hutch' this weekend (Oct. 24-25)" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=ipx9w-171b990-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div><p><a href="https://hutchpost.com/posts/8b349376-4066-494e-8ebf-9cac2d470987">CLICK HERE</a> to see a complete list of Halloween Events around Hutchinson<br><a href="https://hutchpost.com/category/podcasts" target="_blank">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;to listen to more Hutch Post podcasts on demand!<br><a href="https://hutchpost.com/pages/community-calendar" target="_blank">CLICK HERE</a>&nbsp;to submit an event for this podcast or to see area events listed on the Visit Hutch Event Calendar.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

🎧 LISTEN: 'Happening Around Hutch' this Halloween weekend 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> With us this morning is another candidate for Reno County Commission. Ron Vincent is running as a Republican. He'll be on the ballot for a portion of the county. Again, that is coming up on November the 5th. Good morning, sir. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right. Ron, give folks a little bit of your background, but much like your opponent, you've been in the county a long, long time, so a lot of folks probably know you already, but just for those that don't. 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> I was born here and I've never moved away. Spent my whole life here. Raised our children here. I've been in Reno County ever since I can remember. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right. So, what we, what you, what you've done for the, as your career is have a business that helps with getting wells taken care of, and so there's a piece of what the county does that, or I guess I should say the state does, and the county did some, that is something you are a whole lot more knowledgeable about than I am, and that's the the sanitation code and the way that that works when you dig wells and do work and all those kinds of things. And, and so from the county, from the County Commission seat, that got changed here, oh, was it earlier this year or late last year? And just talk a little bit about what the, what your background will lend to being able to pay attention to that side of policy that maybe a lot of county commissioners don't know about. 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, that policy, you know, got changed.  We were, the state has what they call Bulletin 4-2, which, which regulates all these water wells and wastewater systems. And then Reno County elaborated from there, which basically made it quite a bit more restrictive, in fact double separation distance, lots of things that, you know, that was making everything cost a lot more. So on that aspect, you know, we tried to tune that down to where it was, you know, it was affordable, but yet safe.  It's still safe. KDHE ain't gonna let you do anything, it's not gonna let you do anything that, you know, it's not gonna affect the environment. That part's already taken care of.

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Sure. And that's one of the situations I touched on this a little bit earlier this morning, but the, a lot of what the county does is be, for want of a better way of putting it, and I say this often, a branch office of the state government. By that I mean most of the county elected officials other than the county commission. In other words, the ones like the county treasurer and the county clerk and the county sheriff and so on, they're chiefly governed by state statute more so than even something that the county commission does. So often their, their stuff is just things that you have to say, okay, yeah, I understand that, that you don't have a choice in doing what you, what you're doing right now. One good example that was before the county commission here recently was a county treasurer, Calvert, came in and wanted to add an employee to her office because it was taking every time, taking forever for people to get their tags. Well, Daniel Friesen, who is stepping aside and it's his seat that we're talking about, basically said, why are we still doing tags the way we've done tags forever? And though that's a great question to ask, that's not, the county commission doesn't get to decide that. The state legislature gets to decide that. So when you come up against those situations where you say, this isn't, this isn't quite the way things maybe ought to be done, how as a county commission can you, can you give voice to figuring out how to make processes at this level better when it, when it's statute-based and you don't get to make the individual decision? 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> That's really hard. You know, like I said, that the state does control that and, you know, I think the people down there do the best they can with what they got. We can, we can always try and push for that, but it's, now like on property taxes, you know, we could, you know, if we don't like what it's costing to pay for property tax, we'd always lower the mill levy and make our taxes less. The TAG department, you know, you hear that, you know, that it's state-run, and the state, I've noticed the state and the government are very good about starting programs, setting policy, and then they're, you know, then they're outfunding it. They're not funding it anymore. So, you know, that needs worked on and find out a way to, you know, to try to get them to fund more of it, being said, you know, they're the ones that are regulating it. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Fair enough. Ron's running for County Commission for the seat now held by Daniel Friesen, but he's chosen to step aside, and so Ron is running as a Republican on the ballot in the November 5th election for the northeastern portion of Reno County, and Ron, you talked about potentially cutting the mill levy if that's what the County Commission wants to do to continue to give property tax relief to taxpayers, but if you're going to do that, then you got to cut the budget, and are there any particular areas that you say to yourself, these are the areas I think we maybe need to take a closer look at if I make it on the Commission? 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> I would say one part that I would take a closer look at it is us funding money to the nonprofits. The nonprofits come in every year wanting some money. Basically, I feel that's taking everybody's tax money and donating it to nonprofits of, say, my choice or the Commission's choice.  I'd be more careful about that. I would, on this economic development, I believe we need to define what we need to spend the money on on the economic development. I didn't know economic development could get so broad.  So basically, watch what we spend. We have needs, we need to fund them, we need to look at our wants really hard. 

<b>Nick Gosnell: </b>Economic development, it's hard to know where that line really lies because you can say, just like you can say most anything has to do with taxes, you can say most anything has to do with economic development because you you're trying to bring infrastructure to places so that you can have industrial activity.  But then you have to bring people in to work that industry, and then you have to then be able to take care of all those pieces. So when you talk about what economic development is, where do you want those lines drawn? Are we talking about water lines and tax abatements, or are we talking about incentives to get people to move here? Or what's the framework that makes sense there? 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, tax abatements would be a good start because it's actually not giving cash money to someone to start a business. I'd rather do that than the cash. And if the business comes and you let free enterprise take care of itself, I believe the people will follow. That the housing will, the people that are in the developing and house building business will get on the bandwagon, and it will take care of itself if we become quite a bit more friendlier with these people that are, you know, to get them to come in. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, one of the tough issues is you can bring jobs to a community, but just because the jobs are in a community doesn't necessarily mean that the people are going to live in that political jurisdiction. I'll give you just an example, my own life. My wife and I live on the other side of the county line, so I'm not a Reno County taxpayer, but I work in Reno County. How do you get those people, when you bring jobs in, like the new electrical plant that they're getting ready to start, or any of these other places that are this economic activity, how do you get that to translate into residents that are taxpayers here, as opposed to people that can drive in 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, because it's not like it used to be. You don't have the horse and buggy, you don't have to live 10 miles away anymore. 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, get the jobs, you know, that pay good, that people want. You know, they want to come here and build a home. You know, there's a lot of people from Reno County go work in McPherson County. I mean, that just goes on and on. But, you know, bring the business and companies here that can support these people, and give them, you know, the pay that they think they deserve, and, you know, I believe that, and a place to build a home, or buy a home that they desire.

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right, and how difficult is it for the County Commission when most of the revenue you guys get is from property tax? There's a little bit of sales tax in there, but it's mostly property taxes, and everybody gets frustrated with the property tax valuations going up. But again, like we talked about with the Treasurer's Office earlier, the Appraiser's Office is controlled a whole lot by statute. They've got to value things according to what the statute says. So, how can the County Commission help to affect that? Maybe even other than just cutting the budget, is there anything else policy-wise that the County Commission can do to say, hey, we don't want to make this worse on people than it has to be? 

<b>Ron Vincent:</b> I don't think there's much that the County Commissioner can really do about that. I believe that would be the representatives and senators to do that. I, you know, I don't know the whole structure of the state on these mandates, but obviously geographically it's different. You know, I would hope that we're not compared to, you know, Wyandotte, Johnson County, or that we're not compared to Kiowa County. But if the state is more generalized in things, it needs to be more geographical and a little truer value, I think. But again, the Commission can say, well, you know, the valuation's gone up. You know, revenue neutral will make you stay at the same taxes you're paying, not make you pay more taxes. We can always work with the mill levy. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Fair enough. Ron Vincent is with us. He is running as a Republican for County Commission, and he'll be on the ballot for the northeastern portion of the county on November 5th.

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                    </figure><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> With us this morning is another candidate for Reno County Commission. Ron Vincent is running as a Republican. He'll be on the ballot for a portion of the county. Again, that is coming up on November the 5th. Good morning, sir. </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> Good morning. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right. Ron, give folks a little bit of your background, but much like your opponent, you've been in the county a long, long time, so a lot of folks probably know you already, but just for those that don't. </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> I was born here and I've never moved away. Spent my whole life here. Raised our children here. I've been in Reno County ever since I can remember. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right. So, what we, what you, what you've done for the, as your career is have a business that helps with getting wells taken care of, and so there's a piece of what the county does that, or I guess I should say the state does, and the county did some, that is something you are a whole lot more knowledgeable about than I am, and that's the the sanitation code and the way that that works when you dig wells and do work and all those kinds of things. And, and so from the county, from the County Commission seat, that got changed here, oh, was it earlier this year or late last year? And just talk a little bit about what the, what your background will lend to being able to pay attention to that side of policy that maybe a lot of county commissioners don't know about. </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, that policy, you know, got changed.  We were, the state has what they call Bulletin 4-2, which, which regulates all these water wells and wastewater systems. And then Reno County elaborated from there, which basically made it quite a bit more restrictive, in fact double separation distance, lots of things that, you know, that was making everything cost a lot more. So on that aspect, you know, we tried to tune that down to where it was, you know, it was affordable, but yet safe.  It's still safe. KDHE ain't gonna let you do anything, it's not gonna let you do anything that, you know, it's not gonna affect the environment. That part's already taken care of.</p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Sure. And that's one of the situations I touched on this a little bit earlier this morning, but the, a lot of what the county does is be, for want of a better way of putting it, and I say this often, a branch office of the state government. By that I mean most of the county elected officials other than the county commission. In other words, the ones like the county treasurer and the county clerk and the county sheriff and so on, they're chiefly governed by state statute more so than even something that the county commission does. So often their, their stuff is just things that you have to say, okay, yeah, I understand that, that you don't have a choice in doing what you, what you're doing right now. One good example that was before the county commission here recently was a county treasurer, Calvert, came in and wanted to add an employee to her office because it was taking every time, taking forever for people to get their tags. Well, Daniel Friesen, who is stepping aside and it's his seat that we're talking about, basically said, why are we still doing tags the way we've done tags forever? And though that's a great question to ask, that's not, the county commission doesn't get to decide that. The state legislature gets to decide that. So when you come up against those situations where you say, this isn't, this isn't quite the way things maybe ought to be done, how as a county commission can you, can you give voice to figuring out how to make processes at this level better when it, when it's statute-based and you don't get to make the individual decision? </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> That's really hard. You know, like I said, that the state does control that and, you know, I think the people down there do the best they can with what they got. We can, we can always try and push for that, but it's, now like on property taxes, you know, we could, you know, if we don't like what it's costing to pay for property tax, we'd always lower the mill levy and make our taxes less. The TAG department, you know, you hear that, you know, that it's state-run, and the state, I've noticed the state and the government are very good about starting programs, setting policy, and then they're, you know, then they're outfunding it. They're not funding it anymore. So, you know, that needs worked on and find out a way to, you know, to try to get them to fund more of it, being said, you know, they're the ones that are regulating it. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Fair enough. Ron's running for County Commission for the seat now held by Daniel Friesen, but he's chosen to step aside, and so Ron is running as a Republican on the ballot in the November 5th election for the northeastern portion of Reno County, and Ron, you talked about potentially cutting the mill levy if that's what the County Commission wants to do to continue to give property tax relief to taxpayers, but if you're going to do that, then you got to cut the budget, and are there any particular areas that you say to yourself, these are the areas I think we maybe need to take a closer look at if I make it on the Commission? </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> I would say one part that I would take a closer look at it is us funding money to the nonprofits. The nonprofits come in every year wanting some money. Basically, I feel that's taking everybody's tax money and donating it to nonprofits of, say, my choice or the Commission's choice.  I'd be more careful about that. I would, on this economic development, I believe we need to define what we need to spend the money on on the economic development. I didn't know economic development could get so broad.  So basically, watch what we spend. We have needs, we need to fund them, we need to look at our wants really hard. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell: </b>Economic development, it's hard to know where that line really lies because you can say, just like you can say most anything has to do with taxes, you can say most anything has to do with economic development because you you're trying to bring infrastructure to places so that you can have industrial activity.  But then you have to bring people in to work that industry, and then you have to then be able to take care of all those pieces. So when you talk about what economic development is, where do you want those lines drawn? Are we talking about water lines and tax abatements, or are we talking about incentives to get people to move here? Or what's the framework that makes sense there? </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, tax abatements would be a good start because it's actually not giving cash money to someone to start a business. I'd rather do that than the cash. And if the business comes and you let free enterprise take care of itself, I believe the people will follow. That the housing will, the people that are in the developing and house building business will get on the bandwagon, and it will take care of itself if we become quite a bit more friendlier with these people that are, you know, to get them to come in. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, one of the tough issues is you can bring jobs to a community, but just because the jobs are in a community doesn't necessarily mean that the people are going to live in that political jurisdiction. I'll give you just an example, my own life. My wife and I live on the other side of the county line, so I'm not a Reno County taxpayer, but I work in Reno County. How do you get those people, when you bring jobs in, like the new electrical plant that they're getting ready to start, or any of these other places that are this economic activity, how do you get that to translate into residents that are taxpayers here, as opposed to people that can drive in 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, because it's not like it used to be. You don't have the horse and buggy, you don't have to live 10 miles away anymore. </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> Well, get the jobs, you know, that pay good, that people want. You know, they want to come here and build a home. You know, there's a lot of people from Reno County go work in McPherson County. I mean, that just goes on and on. But, you know, bring the business and companies here that can support these people, and give them, you know, the pay that they think they deserve, and, you know, I believe that, and a place to build a home, or buy a home that they desire.</p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> All right, and how difficult is it for the County Commission when most of the revenue you guys get is from property tax? There's a little bit of sales tax in there, but it's mostly property taxes, and everybody gets frustrated with the property tax valuations going up. But again, like we talked about with the Treasurer's Office earlier, the Appraiser's Office is controlled a whole lot by statute. They've got to value things according to what the statute says. So, how can the County Commission help to affect that? Maybe even other than just cutting the budget, is there anything else policy-wise that the County Commission can do to say, hey, we don't want to make this worse on people than it has to be? </p><p><b>Ron Vincent:</b> I don't think there's much that the County Commissioner can really do about that. I believe that would be the representatives and senators to do that. I, you know, I don't know the whole structure of the state on these mandates, but obviously geographically it's different. You know, I would hope that we're not compared to, you know, Wyandotte, Johnson County, or that we're not compared to Kiowa County. But if the state is more generalized in things, it needs to be more geographical and a little truer value, I think. But again, the Commission can say, well, you know, the valuation's gone up. You know, revenue neutral will make you stay at the same taxes you're paying, not make you pay more taxes. We can always work with the mill levy. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Fair enough. Ron Vincent is with us. He is running as a Republican for County Commission, and he'll be on the ballot for the northeastern portion of the county on November 5th.</p><p>The audio interview is below.</p><div><iframe title="Ron Vincent" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=befgp-171b4d6-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 Transcript: Ron Vincent, County Commission District 3

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> In studio with us this morning is a Reno County Commission candidate Garth Strand. He is running as a Democrat on your ballots on November 5th and so, Garth, first of all just give folks a little bit of your background. Now most folks probably know who you are you've been in the county a long long time but just for those that may be unfamiliar. 

<b>Garth Strand:</b> Good morning Nick.  I have been in the county a long time about 45 years. I am an original small-town Kansas farm boy grew up on the edge of the Flint Hills on a very traditional small Kansas farm and after I graduated from K-State I found myself here in Hutchinson a place that I had only come to the State Fair before that time. I worked for a local company it was bank called Bankers Investment and they decided well they were actually purchased and moved to California and at that time I discovered credit unions and that is the rest of my story.  I spent a 37 year career at what is now Heartland Credit Union the last 28 years as president and during that time achieved some remarkable growth something around 19 million in assets to about 300 million from one location to nine. I had the opportunity to work with so many wonderful people volunteers employees and I had a great career. Okay so you talked about growth and how can the Reno County Board of Commissioners foster growth in Reno County what do you think? That's that's one of my primary reasons for running I think we need to have a different kind of leadership for Reno County one that's more positive more forward-looking and creates a culture of more of a culture of yes we can.  In my former career I implemented a thing called a no no's policy and that was just to distract our urge to immediately say no to someone who was simply seeking service or help and encourage us to look at all the options before we say no and what we've experienced here in Reno County lately is a lot of no's significantly concerning wind energy and solar energy which clearly are prospering industries around many parts of our country and I feel that we're missing out I won't say that totally yes is the right answer but I really I don't think leadership should lead with no it sends the wrong message to those entertaining coming here it cuts them off from further consideration and it certainly discourages them from even exploring here because I knew especially a new business a new industry coming to town has a lot of homework to do just to get to the point of officially filing and asking and if they if they see no's before they even arrive at the border of Reno County we will likely not see them. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now this is tangential to the County Commission race but I've got to ask it you're on the Planning Commission now and at least from my seat watching the County Commission meetings and trying to cover them for Hutch Post it seems to me that the County Commissioners are trying to make policy sitting in the County Commission meeting instead of saying to the Planning Commission make this policy especially when it regards wind and solar. If you switch seats and you end up on the County Commission as opposed to on the Planning Commission how do you address that? 

<b>Garth Strand:</b> Well I have to be careful because I'm I'm speaking for myself and not as a person sitting on the Planning and Zoning Commission so we'll proceed that way. Your assumption seems clear. We got marching orders to approve a ban for solar I've been on the planning and zoning now for three years so I missed out on on the whole wind process but solar I did I did see that coming I've got to live through it and our marching orders were to approve the ban and planning and zoning we had regulations we spent almost a year working on those we thought they were good and and protected areas and people in the county that need protection and we were ready to go forward and then we were asked to approve a man and I will say as a matter of public record I I was the one that made the motion to not approve the ban and so that was sent back to the County Commission and they have had some discussion and now referred it back for to the planning and zoning for further consideration which I took that as a good sign at the end of the day the County Commission holds the final gavel so we'll see what happens. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> But doesn't it seem, forgive the follow-up, but doesn't it seem that this all could happen when you've actually got a proposal sitting in front of you under the conditional use permit process rather than making a bunch of regulations? I mean you have to write regulations but making a ban or not ban decision before you even have a proposal? 

<b>Garth Strand:</b> That is the premise of our entire planning and zoning strategy it's all about land use and I made this argument while we were trying to decide on the ban and I said look in our own regulations we give these examples of things that can be considered for land use, adult entertainment, landfills, right down the list of many undesirable things but it's kind of like the no no's policy there are places in Reno County we have a landfill we need a landfill so there there are ways to get to yes usually and just saying we are going to ban something starts out with no and eliminates further consideration.

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Garth, the county budgets are somewhat difficult because a lot of what the county does is, for want of a better way of putting it, a branch office of the state government the county treasurer's work is is controlled by statute the county appraiser's work is controlled by statute much of the county clerk's work is controlled by statute all of which the County Commission doesn't get to control. That all comes down from the legislature, so to what degree can a county commissioner any of them actually make a difference in the county's priorities when it comes to spending in the areas that are possible?

<b>Garth Strand:</b> Well, clearly we have to follow statute so there's a couple angles on that. Number one, we need to work closely with not only our local legislators, but the entire legislature. Counties are a significant form of local government and we just need to make sure that we are in Topeka watching what's going on and getting done what what we need to get done at the local level. I've always thought it very strange and hard to imagine being a county administrator when I have department heads that I don't hire and I don't really think that's the best approach going forward. Perhaps at some time in history that was fine. I think that needs to be considered for change it would be big, it would take many years to get over that hurdle, but I do think we should start to restart the conversation. I know it's it's been talked about before. The other thing that comes to mind in that same realm was townships, I think we need to take a close look at the function of townships what's expected how they're performing and is that the best use of funds for for our local government? 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and another area that the county's been looking at he has been fire districts because fire districts are their own taxing entities as well there was at least a proposal to make the county basically one fire district for the purposes of consolidating some of the funds and some of the resources and so on now you'd still have the same number of fire trucks and firefighters or awfully close to that I suppose because you've got a huge county and you got to cover it all, but reducing down to one fire district was at least on the table at one point or another I guess, is that something that may be reasonable to do if you can figure out how to get this the the subtext taken care of kind of in the same vein that you just talked about townships?

<b>Garth Strand:</b> Yes it obviously seems reasonable to me, excepting the fact that it's a large task and there's a lot of people to convince and a major shift in county governments across the state. In my mind it is something that County Commission should be spending more time on instead of drilling down into day to day expenditures those are always important, but when you have a professional full-time administrator you have to trust that person, verify the work but spend your time I call it being up in the crow's nest, so to speak, so you can see what as far as you can see into the future what's coming at us and try to get a head start on on challenges and eliminate problems before they even get a chance to be problems. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Garth Strand is running for County Commission, how can folks find out more about your campaign?

<b>Garth Strand:</b> I have a Facebook page. I did not set up a website this year.&nbsp; My phone number is public information and I would love to talk to anybody about issues. That's why I'm running is to represent us all,  that was my history I represented a group of members that grew to about 20,000 and there are ways to find value for everyone in an organization or in a county. It's not easy but we all have to come to the table and listen with open minds, not have a predetermined outcome.

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                    </figure><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> In studio with us this morning is a Reno County Commission candidate Garth Strand. He is running as a Democrat on your ballots on November 5th and so, Garth, first of all just give folks a little bit of your background. Now most folks probably know who you are you've been in the county a long long time but just for those that may be unfamiliar. </p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> Good morning Nick.  I have been in the county a long time about 45 years. I am an original small-town Kansas farm boy grew up on the edge of the Flint Hills on a very traditional small Kansas farm and after I graduated from K-State I found myself here in Hutchinson a place that I had only come to the State Fair before that time. I worked for a local company it was bank called Bankers Investment and they decided well they were actually purchased and moved to California and at that time I discovered credit unions and that is the rest of my story.  I spent a 37 year career at what is now Heartland Credit Union the last 28 years as president and during that time achieved some remarkable growth something around 19 million in assets to about 300 million from one location to nine. I had the opportunity to work with so many wonderful people volunteers employees and I had a great career. Okay so you talked about growth and how can the Reno County Board of Commissioners foster growth in Reno County what do you think? That's that's one of my primary reasons for running I think we need to have a different kind of leadership for Reno County one that's more positive more forward-looking and creates a culture of more of a culture of yes we can.  In my former career I implemented a thing called a no no's policy and that was just to distract our urge to immediately say no to someone who was simply seeking service or help and encourage us to look at all the options before we say no and what we've experienced here in Reno County lately is a lot of no's significantly concerning wind energy and solar energy which clearly are prospering industries around many parts of our country and I feel that we're missing out I won't say that totally yes is the right answer but I really I don't think leadership should lead with no it sends the wrong message to those entertaining coming here it cuts them off from further consideration and it certainly discourages them from even exploring here because I knew especially a new business a new industry coming to town has a lot of homework to do just to get to the point of officially filing and asking and if they if they see no's before they even arrive at the border of Reno County we will likely not see them. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now this is tangential to the County Commission race but I've got to ask it you're on the Planning Commission now and at least from my seat watching the County Commission meetings and trying to cover them for Hutch Post it seems to me that the County Commissioners are trying to make policy sitting in the County Commission meeting instead of saying to the Planning Commission make this policy especially when it regards wind and solar. If you switch seats and you end up on the County Commission as opposed to on the Planning Commission how do you address that? </p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> Well I have to be careful because I'm I'm speaking for myself and not as a person sitting on the Planning and Zoning Commission so we'll proceed that way. Your assumption seems clear. We got marching orders to approve a ban for solar I've been on the planning and zoning now for three years so I missed out on on the whole wind process but solar I did I did see that coming I've got to live through it and our marching orders were to approve the ban and planning and zoning we had regulations we spent almost a year working on those we thought they were good and and protected areas and people in the county that need protection and we were ready to go forward and then we were asked to approve a man and I will say as a matter of public record I I was the one that made the motion to not approve the ban and so that was sent back to the County Commission and they have had some discussion and now referred it back for to the planning and zoning for further consideration which I took that as a good sign at the end of the day the County Commission holds the final gavel so we'll see what happens. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> But doesn't it seem, forgive the follow-up, but doesn't it seem that this all could happen when you've actually got a proposal sitting in front of you under the conditional use permit process rather than making a bunch of regulations? I mean you have to write regulations but making a ban or not ban decision before you even have a proposal? </p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> That is the premise of our entire planning and zoning strategy it's all about land use and I made this argument while we were trying to decide on the ban and I said look in our own regulations we give these examples of things that can be considered for land use, adult entertainment, landfills, right down the list of many undesirable things but it's kind of like the no no's policy there are places in Reno County we have a landfill we need a landfill so there there are ways to get to yes usually and just saying we are going to ban something starts out with no and eliminates further consideration.</p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Garth, the county budgets are somewhat difficult because a lot of what the county does is, for want of a better way of putting it, a branch office of the state government the county treasurer's work is is controlled by statute the county appraiser's work is controlled by statute much of the county clerk's work is controlled by statute all of which the County Commission doesn't get to control. That all comes down from the legislature, so to what degree can a county commissioner any of them actually make a difference in the county's priorities when it comes to spending in the areas that are possible?</p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> Well, clearly we have to follow statute so there's a couple angles on that. Number one, we need to work closely with not only our local legislators, but the entire legislature. Counties are a significant form of local government and we just need to make sure that we are in Topeka watching what's going on and getting done what what we need to get done at the local level. I've always thought it very strange and hard to imagine being a county administrator when I have department heads that I don't hire and I don't really think that's the best approach going forward. Perhaps at some time in history that was fine. I think that needs to be considered for change it would be big, it would take many years to get over that hurdle, but I do think we should start to restart the conversation. I know it's it's been talked about before. The other thing that comes to mind in that same realm was townships, I think we need to take a close look at the function of townships what's expected how they're performing and is that the best use of funds for for our local government? </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and another area that the county's been looking at he has been fire districts because fire districts are their own taxing entities as well there was at least a proposal to make the county basically one fire district for the purposes of consolidating some of the funds and some of the resources and so on now you'd still have the same number of fire trucks and firefighters or awfully close to that I suppose because you've got a huge county and you got to cover it all, but reducing down to one fire district was at least on the table at one point or another I guess, is that something that may be reasonable to do if you can figure out how to get this the the subtext taken care of kind of in the same vein that you just talked about townships?</p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> Yes it obviously seems reasonable to me, excepting the fact that it's a large task and there's a lot of people to convince and a major shift in county governments across the state. In my mind it is something that County Commission should be spending more time on instead of drilling down into day to day expenditures those are always important, but when you have a professional full-time administrator you have to trust that person, verify the work but spend your time I call it being up in the crow's nest, so to speak, so you can see what as far as you can see into the future what's coming at us and try to get a head start on on challenges and eliminate problems before they even get a chance to be problems. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Garth Strand is running for County Commission, how can folks find out more about your campaign?</p><p><b>Garth Strand:</b> I have a Facebook page. I did not set up a website this year.&nbsp; My phone number is public information and I would love to talk to anybody about issues. That's why I'm running is to represent us all,  that was my history I represented a group of members that grew to about 20,000 and there are ways to find value for everyone in an organization or in a county. It's not easy but we all have to come to the table and listen with open minds, not have a predetermined outcome.</p><p>The audio interview is below.</p><div><iframe title="Garth Strand" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=e63yd-171b45e-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

🎧 Transcript: Garth Strand, Reno County Commission District 3

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<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> With us this morning is Mike Murphy. He is running as a Republican for Kansas Senate District 34. And I'm going to do the best I can, Mike, to not ask you the exact same questions that I asked you prior to the primary, but that may be a challenge. So we'll see how it goes. I guess, let's just start, let's just dive right in.  Let's just start with taxes and spending, because people talk about taxes all the time, but you don't hear talk about spending near as often. Now, I've heard it from you, and I want to give you an opportunity to do that. 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> Oh, okay. Well, thanks for the opportunity, and appreciate you having me in. Yeah, it's kind of like the weather. People talk about it, but nobody does anything about it, right? This is the same thing. People, they want their stuff, they want their services, they want this, they want that. And then they complain when they get the tax bill. Well, the bottom line is, is taxes are too high and spending is too high. And we're just going to have to find some ways. It's going to be tough, because every time you, you know, you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul. When you start taking money from Paul, he's going to start squawking.  And that's what we end up with. You know, there are those third rail subjects, you know, whether we're talking health care, child care, things like that, that lots of times, but we're taking hard-earned money from people to pay for a lot of these things. And when government does things, they waste a lot, because they've got no vested interest in that money. So I think we need to, excuse me, we need to figure out a way to get to a point to where we can start cutting some things. There's no way we can cut taxes unless we cut spending. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and it seems a little counterintuitive, unless you've been in Topeka and kind of understand how things work. But having to have a person to oversee the people that do the actual work, which is what happens in government, because you've got to have not only the people that do the actual work, but then you've got to have the oversight people to make sure that the people doing the actual work are working, because that's the people that then talk to people that run for the legislature and those sorts of things. Well, that's an additional person, isn't it? Now, to call it waste might be overstating it a bit, but when you have a private business that has the workers do the work, and then they get the rewards, there tends to be less people than when you have a government entity do it, because then you've got to have those oversight people, and then you have to have the people that are doing all of the individual functions of different pieces of a program and so on. So like I said, not necessarily that it's waste, but it's definitely not as efficient as when it's done by the private sector, is it? 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> Right. When you add layers, I like to look at it just like our homes, like our families. We can mow our own grass, or we can hire it done. It costs more to hire it done. Now, it's nice to go play while your lawn's being cut, and any number of other things. I'm a weird guy. I still change the oil in my car and stuff like that at home. Most people don't do that, but the bottom line is there's things that government could do, like you said, without some of those layers, and the other thing that I like to compare with a family is you can't just come in next month and say, I need more money. My expenses have gone up. I want to go on vacation. I want things like that. Mr. Boss, I need more money. Well, that's what government does. Government just says, okay, they just take it. They just say, well, here we go. We need more money. We just take it. We're going to have to change the way we think. I don't know any other way to put it.

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and part of the issue is that in Topeka, people are concerned with making sure that their district gets a piece of this pie often, as much as they are concerned with the fact that the pie just keeps getting more stuffed with stuff from the people to the government. They don't think that, or at least I would say a majority probably don't think the way that you've just articulated. 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> No, I agree. I agree. And then the other thing too is you've got these things we call lobbyists. Some lobbyists are wonderful. I mean, they really are. They're very good. Some of them are not so much.  And we get in a situation where then, of course, where they're wanting to add their piece of pie in. And there's been some adjustments to some of that. I know they're looking at where they're doing like the omnibus and stuff like that because historically there's a lot of stuff been thrown in there at the end that never really went through the process. And so we need to do a better job of watching those sorts of things. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> It's a lot bigger district than it was four years ago because they redrew the lines.  So now it's Reno, Kingman, and I think Barber counties. So all the way down to the state line for you. Has that changed at all what you see the district wanting? Because you've talked to folks all around.

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> Maybe a little bit. In reality, of course, what happened was is Reno County lost, well, Hutch proper lost some numbers over that 10-year period. And so they had to pick it up. And in reality, there was only the rest of Kingman County that was added. And then all of Barber County was about another 5,000 people or so. So it's not a lot of people.  It's a lot of land. But they're good people. I'll tell you what, that's salt of the earth when you get out of town. And a lot of people don't see Hutch as a big city. But when you live out in the country, 10 miles from the nearest town, Hutch is a big city. So your outlook on life is a little different. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, how much of what the state does budget-wise, we always talk about it, and we talked about it at length before the break. But how much of it can really be changed right now? Because you said in your interview with me back in August, there are large chunks of the state budget that are, I don't want to say they're set, but they're more or less things that are those third rail topics you talked about before.

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> Yeah, well, we've got about 15% of the budget we can legitimately work with because the rest of it is education and Medicaid. So there's ways to cut some of those things. I think the schools and all like that could be trimmed a little bit because, and I know that sounds horrible, they'll scream at me for that. But the bottom line is that there's a lot of money being thrown at problems. And I think when we've looked at some of the post-audit reports, that there's money that's being spent that has no effect. And we need to be looking at that.  There's also, whenever time you look at government programs like Medicaid, Medicare, there's always fraud and abuse. And so I think it's incumbent on us to look at those things and try to, because I mean, that's our taxpayers' money and we need to be good stewards. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, I'm going to get burned at home when I get home for saying what I'm about to say, Mike, but there are 200 and some odd school districts in the state of Kansas and there are about 100 counties, 105. It seems like to me you might be able to do with fewer districts if you could figure out how to draw the maps so kids aren't on the bus all day. But that's just looking at it from the outside.

<b>Mike Murphy: </b>Well, you know, and I look at it and I'm thinking, I know this isn't realistic in today's world, but the old one-room schoolhouses served us well. And we, yeah, we were not able to have the bands and the sports and everything like that, but those kids were educated and that's what we really are doing. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> So let's talk about Medicaid for a second, because if it's already 23% of the budget and Medicaid expansion, which has been up there for years and years and hasn't gone through for, let's call it, nine or ten years since the last time in 2014 when it was vetoed by Governor Brownback, how much bigger part of the budget would it become if that actually happened? Has anybody given you any numbers on that? 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> It's hard to, you know, it's hard to say. It would certainly be more money. I don't know. When you start trying to get that information, you get all sorts of different answers. And so I don't really know. All I know is that when you add that, most states, I think, they're 160% above the projection. So whatever it is they say is going to be added, it's going to be more. So it's a real problem. And once again, I think I said at the forum the other night, Medicaid was designed to really help the intellectually and the physically disabled. That was really its general purpose. We've expanded it already to encompass a whole lot more, and those people have been left behind. And I think we should back up a little bit before we start looking at adding more. I think we should back up and help the ones it was really designed for. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and not every doctor or medical provider takes that either. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:&nbsp;</b>So let's talk about, like, if there was, have you ever been at the concession stand at a high school football game, Mike? 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> When you go in the middle of the first quarter, and the game's going on, and there are five people at the concession stand, pretty easy to go get your hot dog. When you go at halftime, especially if you go after the band quits playing, you're going to wait, you won't get back to your seat until the middle of third quarter. 

<b>Nick Gosnell: </b>Is that where we would be if we actually expanded Medicaid? 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> That's a part of it. And also, sometimes these hospitals and such say, well, we really need this. But the bottom line is that Medicaid pays about 30 percent of what private insurance does. And if a lot of people go on that are eligible for, like, Obamacare or whatever like that, you actually are forced onto Medicaid if you are eligible for Medicaid. And so you're going to have people that have maybe been going to the doctor, and the doctor and hospital being reimbursed 100 percent, now they're going to get 30. I think trying to put the numbers together is really difficult to say, well, we're going to get that.&nbsp; And once again, we're playing with taxpayer dollars. I've got a little, have you seen Thomas Massey's little badge that he wears, the debt badge? 

<b>Nick Gosnell:&nbsp;</b>No, I have not. 

<b>Mike Murphy:&nbsp;</b>It's pretty cool. I've got one actually now. I should have brought it so you could see it. It's got the running total of the national debt, which is now, is actually I read last night in the last three weeks has gone up $400 billion. So we are on track of spending around a trillion dollars in deficit spending every 100 days. So to say we're going to get all this federal dollars and everything for something, it's a shell game. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Again, we're talking to Mike Murphy. He's running for District 34 in the Kansas Senate. So where can folks find out more about your campaign? 

<b>Mike Murphy:</b> IlikeMike4Kansas, the number four. <a href="http://Ilikemike4ks.com">Ilikemike4ks.com</a> and look for your vote. I like Mike on November 5th or before. Vote early, vote often. 

<b>Nick Gosnell:</b> I think we'll try to do it once and leave it at that.

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                    </figure><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> With us this morning is Mike Murphy. He is running as a Republican for Kansas Senate District 34. And I'm going to do the best I can, Mike, to not ask you the exact same questions that I asked you prior to the primary, but that may be a challenge. So we'll see how it goes. I guess, let's just start, let's just dive right in.  Let's just start with taxes and spending, because people talk about taxes all the time, but you don't hear talk about spending near as often. Now, I've heard it from you, and I want to give you an opportunity to do that. </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Oh, okay. Well, thanks for the opportunity, and appreciate you having me in. Yeah, it's kind of like the weather. People talk about it, but nobody does anything about it, right? This is the same thing. People, they want their stuff, they want their services, they want this, they want that. And then they complain when they get the tax bill. Well, the bottom line is, is taxes are too high and spending is too high. And we're just going to have to find some ways. It's going to be tough, because every time you, you know, you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul. When you start taking money from Paul, he's going to start squawking.  And that's what we end up with. You know, there are those third rail subjects, you know, whether we're talking health care, child care, things like that, that lots of times, but we're taking hard-earned money from people to pay for a lot of these things. And when government does things, they waste a lot, because they've got no vested interest in that money. So I think we need to, excuse me, we need to figure out a way to get to a point to where we can start cutting some things. There's no way we can cut taxes unless we cut spending. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and it seems a little counterintuitive, unless you've been in Topeka and kind of understand how things work. But having to have a person to oversee the people that do the actual work, which is what happens in government, because you've got to have not only the people that do the actual work, but then you've got to have the oversight people to make sure that the people doing the actual work are working, because that's the people that then talk to people that run for the legislature and those sorts of things. Well, that's an additional person, isn't it? Now, to call it waste might be overstating it a bit, but when you have a private business that has the workers do the work, and then they get the rewards, there tends to be less people than when you have a government entity do it, because then you've got to have those oversight people, and then you have to have the people that are doing all of the individual functions of different pieces of a program and so on. So like I said, not necessarily that it's waste, but it's definitely not as efficient as when it's done by the private sector, is it? </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Right. When you add layers, I like to look at it just like our homes, like our families. We can mow our own grass, or we can hire it done. It costs more to hire it done. Now, it's nice to go play while your lawn's being cut, and any number of other things. I'm a weird guy. I still change the oil in my car and stuff like that at home. Most people don't do that, but the bottom line is there's things that government could do, like you said, without some of those layers, and the other thing that I like to compare with a family is you can't just come in next month and say, I need more money. My expenses have gone up. I want to go on vacation. I want things like that. Mr. Boss, I need more money. Well, that's what government does. Government just says, okay, they just take it. They just say, well, here we go. We need more money. We just take it. We're going to have to change the way we think. I don't know any other way to put it.</p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and part of the issue is that in Topeka, people are concerned with making sure that their district gets a piece of this pie often, as much as they are concerned with the fact that the pie just keeps getting more stuffed with stuff from the people to the government. They don't think that, or at least I would say a majority probably don't think the way that you've just articulated. </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> No, I agree. I agree. And then the other thing too is you've got these things we call lobbyists. Some lobbyists are wonderful. I mean, they really are. They're very good. Some of them are not so much.  And we get in a situation where then, of course, where they're wanting to add their piece of pie in. And there's been some adjustments to some of that. I know they're looking at where they're doing like the omnibus and stuff like that because historically there's a lot of stuff been thrown in there at the end that never really went through the process. And so we need to do a better job of watching those sorts of things. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> It's a lot bigger district than it was four years ago because they redrew the lines.  So now it's Reno, Kingman, and I think Barber counties. So all the way down to the state line for you. Has that changed at all what you see the district wanting? Because you've talked to folks all around.</p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Maybe a little bit. In reality, of course, what happened was is Reno County lost, well, Hutch proper lost some numbers over that 10-year period. And so they had to pick it up. And in reality, there was only the rest of Kingman County that was added. And then all of Barber County was about another 5,000 people or so. So it's not a lot of people.  It's a lot of land. But they're good people. I'll tell you what, that's salt of the earth when you get out of town. And a lot of people don't see Hutch as a big city. But when you live out in the country, 10 miles from the nearest town, Hutch is a big city. So your outlook on life is a little different. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, how much of what the state does budget-wise, we always talk about it, and we talked about it at length before the break. But how much of it can really be changed right now? Because you said in your interview with me back in August, there are large chunks of the state budget that are, I don't want to say they're set, but they're more or less things that are those third rail topics you talked about before.</p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Yeah, well, we've got about 15% of the budget we can legitimately work with because the rest of it is education and Medicaid. So there's ways to cut some of those things. I think the schools and all like that could be trimmed a little bit because, and I know that sounds horrible, they'll scream at me for that. But the bottom line is that there's a lot of money being thrown at problems. And I think when we've looked at some of the post-audit reports, that there's money that's being spent that has no effect. And we need to be looking at that.  There's also, whenever time you look at government programs like Medicaid, Medicare, there's always fraud and abuse. And so I think it's incumbent on us to look at those things and try to, because I mean, that's our taxpayers' money and we need to be good stewards. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Now, I'm going to get burned at home when I get home for saying what I'm about to say, Mike, but there are 200 and some odd school districts in the state of Kansas and there are about 100 counties, 105. It seems like to me you might be able to do with fewer districts if you could figure out how to draw the maps so kids aren't on the bus all day. But that's just looking at it from the outside.</p><p><b>Mike Murphy: </b>Well, you know, and I look at it and I'm thinking, I know this isn't realistic in today's world, but the old one-room schoolhouses served us well. And we, yeah, we were not able to have the bands and the sports and everything like that, but those kids were educated and that's what we really are doing. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> So let's talk about Medicaid for a second, because if it's already 23% of the budget and Medicaid expansion, which has been up there for years and years and hasn't gone through for, let's call it, nine or ten years since the last time in 2014 when it was vetoed by Governor Brownback, how much bigger part of the budget would it become if that actually happened? Has anybody given you any numbers on that? </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> It's hard to, you know, it's hard to say. It would certainly be more money. I don't know. When you start trying to get that information, you get all sorts of different answers. And so I don't really know. All I know is that when you add that, most states, I think, they're 160% above the projection. So whatever it is they say is going to be added, it's going to be more. So it's a real problem. And once again, I think I said at the forum the other night, Medicaid was designed to really help the intellectually and the physically disabled. That was really its general purpose. We've expanded it already to encompass a whole lot more, and those people have been left behind. And I think we should back up a little bit before we start looking at adding more. I think we should back up and help the ones it was really designed for. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Well, and not every doctor or medical provider takes that either. </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> That's correct. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:&nbsp;</b>So let's talk about, like, if there was, have you ever been at the concession stand at a high school football game, Mike? </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Oh yeah. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> When you go in the middle of the first quarter, and the game's going on, and there are five people at the concession stand, pretty easy to go get your hot dog. When you go at halftime, especially if you go after the band quits playing, you're going to wait, you won't get back to your seat until the middle of third quarter. </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Yeah, you're right. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell: </b>Is that where we would be if we actually expanded Medicaid? </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> That's a part of it. And also, sometimes these hospitals and such say, well, we really need this. But the bottom line is that Medicaid pays about 30 percent of what private insurance does. And if a lot of people go on that are eligible for, like, Obamacare or whatever like that, you actually are forced onto Medicaid if you are eligible for Medicaid. And so you're going to have people that have maybe been going to the doctor, and the doctor and hospital being reimbursed 100 percent, now they're going to get 30. I think trying to put the numbers together is really difficult to say, well, we're going to get that.&nbsp; And once again, we're playing with taxpayer dollars. I've got a little, have you seen Thomas Massey's little badge that he wears, the debt badge? </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:&nbsp;</b>No, I have not. </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:&nbsp;</b>It's pretty cool. I've got one actually now. I should have brought it so you could see it. It's got the running total of the national debt, which is now, is actually I read last night in the last three weeks has gone up $400 billion. So we are on track of spending around a trillion dollars in deficit spending every 100 days. So to say we're going to get all this federal dollars and everything for something, it's a shell game. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> Again, we're talking to Mike Murphy. He's running for District 34 in the Kansas Senate. So where can folks find out more about your campaign? </p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> IlikeMike4Kansas, the number four. <a href="http://Ilikemike4ks.com">Ilikemike4ks.com</a> and look for your vote. I like Mike on November 5th or before. Vote early, vote often. </p><p><b>Nick Gosnell:</b> I think we'll try to do it once and leave it at that.</p><p><b>Mike Murphy:</b> Do it once. Okay.</p><p>The audio interview is below.</p><div><iframe title="Mike Murphy" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=3ixme-171b27a-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=60a0c8&font-color=&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=ff6d00" loading="lazy"></iframe></div>

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